2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. All rights reserved. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. Right? This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. All rights reserved. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Perhaps toe break tension as well. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. ELITE DANGEROUS TRAINING Challenge Scenarios INCURSIONS Let's play in 2023 | PC | 4K | Live Stream | Solo / Alone NOOB w HOSAS VKB + Virpil #elitedangerous . It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. Warthog grip and you are good to go. Its unique to you. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. > Pictures and our But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Question on the VKB customization software? Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. You are using an out of date browser. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. I have zero complaints about it. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. Press J to jump to the feed. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. Even basic assembly drove me out to YouTube where I spent hours freeze-framing foreign language unboxing videos to find out which screw goes where. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. I have the same Virpil throttle. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. In term of quality, feel and performance? I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Outline:0:00 - First impressio. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. Virpil has its own configuration and testing. (e.g. > Sales Both multiple cam and spring force options. Everything about it is perfect. There are some there. I used this for my warthog. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? This applies to the connector between grip and base. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Thanks, Ill take your advise. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). Virpil has the better engineers. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Is the base the same on both? I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. I will try them. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. Privacy Policy. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. The game to get one is better than playing ED. When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. > Reviews in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. It works perfectly with all buttons. It's easy! It functions great and feels great. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. What 'limit' are you talking about? For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). 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