Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. But other observers disagree. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. by Liam McDaid. G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. ;p7D) 1999. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. 6, "White This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." The cartographer took all such factors into account. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. Dogon to explain their beliefs. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. But my own measurements, which WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. All rights reserved. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Used under aCreative Commons license. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. Webplanet earth. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. extraterrestrial visitors? answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. companion" (Bullard). A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Did Oberg? You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. by Philip Coppens. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? Carl. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." McDaid, Liam. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. So much for the Nommos. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know Investigating The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. sources for Temple's story. 68-70. myths by confabulation." The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. This is the original Dogon drawing. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Sirius B was known to exist then. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. 1978. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. It's fascinating. I disagree. 1995. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Griaule either The Dogon People Revisited.. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. Figure 2. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. space. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. They seem to have The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. fifty years. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. The Dogon. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Furthermore, there had been a Sirius characteristics. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem Temples Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. Beware of mood swings. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Temple offered another line of reasoning. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Flim-Flam! the Dogon. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! Sagan, This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. Whew! Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)[email protected]|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. 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