pow Feb 18, 2017 pow Marksman Feb 18, 2017 #1 It doesn't appear that this would be legal to posses in OK? Do they bring measuring tape to measure barrel lengths to ranges? I've shot it a little and it's a neat little gun. I just got off the phone with a very nice gentleman at ATF Tech Branchwho was fielding these calls today. Ours doesn`t have a belt to begin with. It is NEVER said anywhere in this letter either that it can be assumed I just spoke on the phone with a very nice gentleman from the technical branch of the ATF who took these calls today. Such an inference of common reliance may satisfy the CLRAs requirement that plaintiffs in a CLRA action must show that a defendants conduct was deceptive and that the deception caused them harm. (Id.) Completed AR-10/.308 WIN/7.62x51mm uppers. Before I bought a Shockwave, I had a rubber bumper cap on my gun pad. Thank you, Chris.M I`m just wondering if the ATF has changed its definition of pins again. reason you are not satisfied with your purchase, simply return the item within 30 days of This result was absurd, since Texas law required the registration of the Shockwave with the ATF, but the ATF did not require federal registration. They are showing a KAK brace but saying that one person at the ATF rendered an opinion on the SB Tactical arm brace! It also says in line 4 that the removal of the belt is done if it is not valid as an orthodontic appliance. And yes, you can wear a blade orthosis. The Tac-13s barrel is an inch shorter than the Shockwave and its gas piston driven, its also considerably shorter than my M4 SBS. Mossberg Shockwave Brace Legal. Knoxx Breachersgrip Gen III. SB Tactical had falsely advertised that all other pistol struts were legal. The letter could be used in court. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Buy a pistol and vfg and shoulder the damn thing. The best selection of mounts and bases for your optics that youll find from the brands you trust. Opsol Minishell Adapter. Ms. Markwalder graduated with honors from Indiana University in 1997 and received her J.D. All this has got me thinking of moving in to the AR world, but they have made it difficult to not build something jail-worthy. Check here to find the right caliber from the brands you know and trust. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. Copyright 2023, Mossberg Expands 590 Shockwave 12-Gauge Offerings, Mossberg Introduces 590M Shockwave 12-Gauge Pump-Action. Product: shockwavetechnologies.com/sitelatest/product/black-shockwave-blade-pistol-stabilizer/ I just bought the shockwave holder for my gun and I was wondering if the ATF actually published the letter? Shockwave doesnt have a damn thing as it is right now. It was nice to keep it from falling into my safe. There is a generic letter that refers to braces in general. Primary Tactical offers a great selection of firearm bipods for your rifles. Primary Tactical has a variety of Rifle Tools for your gunsmithing needs. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. Click Here To Return To The Orthodontic Information Page (tm) Click here To Is the blade legal without the belt, the one I bought at a gun fair didn`t have the belt in the package? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Disclaimer: These FAQs are meant to provide general information about orthodontic treatment. at p. You have to laugh at it. He then gave me a bit of further guidance for our customers: 1) By permanent affixing, ATF considers that to be adding permanent Loctite to the large set screw that secures the Blade into the dimples in the KAK tube. He wasnt referring to the Shockwave when he was talking about the strap, he was still talking about the SB Tactical brace, thats why he mentioned the strap. Or is this something that would be ordered custom. If that's not good enough, buy an 18" riot gun. at p. WebThe Consumer Legal Remedies Act (CLRA), as set forth in Civil Code, section 1750, et seq. Great selection of handgun action parts from trusted brands. There is a generic letter that refers to braces in general. Some idiot go write a letter! Just curious, Is it now ok to shoulder the brace on any weapon? defendants began to argue that, in the wake of that initiative, there were rigorous hurdles that consumers must surpass to establish claims of deception under the CLRA. In both the In re Tobacco Cases II (2005) 123 Cal.App.4th 617 [20 Cal.Rptr.3d 693], review granted Feb. 16, 2005, No. The brace is legal as an "Arm Brace" only - SO you shouldn't let an ATF agent see you shoulder it - & fire that way. However, the Shockwave does something different and is just barely legal. SB Tactical had falsely advertised that all other pistol struts were legal. Federal law oversees state laws! Stay below 13.5 and according to ATF, its okay to shoulder a Shockwave Blade. $9272.82. My defense in court: I know a guy who knows a guy who read a facebook post saying you could shoulder the blade. Their stance is that a brace has no use on the shockwave, as it was designed to be shot with two hands. 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(He was naturally very knowledgeable about the subject and very nice about it, even though he talked on the phone all day and repeated himself ad nauseam.) AFGs are a great compromise, but awkward to use when they are that close to the magazine well. I had already heard that story first-hand from one of the officers involved, but the news outlet seemed confused as to what they were actually reporting, and chose not to speculate too much on what AR pistol actually meant. Either way it really depends on a cop seeing you or range master. Like a big cane cap. Flash hiders, compensators and muzzle brakes. I have seen the ATF issue these officers citations for having illegal short barreld shotguns and rifles that they used in the line of duty, that was 1/4 inch too short! We should note that modification of the Shockwave is not a good idea. THEN MAKE SURE YOU GO WITH THE 13.5 OR LESS BRACE LENGTH AND LOCTITE THE SCEW AND EVEN PUT A STRAP ON IT, REGARDLESS IF IT CAME WITH ONE OR NOT! Is that why rage-typed in all-caps? A brace doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because it can't aid in one handed firing. 5.). I have read all the above posts and there is no mention of links or download options. Proudly made in the USA. Or 10.5 with the Midwest Industries Sig Brace receiver extension which is longer than a typical carbine extension. Also includes the features that have made Mossberg pump-actions the choice for millions worldwide: ambidextrous safety, dual extractors, positive steel-to-steel lockup, twin action bars, and a smooth operating anti For their intended use, you don't need an arm brace. He said, The letter covers all firearm stabilizing braces, including the Shockwave blade. That`s all. Slots are only for a noose. With an overall length of 26.3", the path was cleared for the Mossberg 590 Shockwave to be made available for sale in the Buckeye state. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. LaRue Tactical Grip. Click Here To Go To The Dictionary Of Orthodontic Terms(tm). The detail of the band is if an orthosis was designed and made with a bracelet you can not remove it. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations. I have also seen the ATF come and inspect riot guns carried in cruisers, that belonged to individual officers before Law Enforcement agencies started supplying them, and physically measure each riot gun on every shift, that was in the police cruiser! WebThe Ergo 500/590 adapter can be used to attach a brace and pistol grip to your Mossberg 500/590 or Shockwave. Described by Gov. Available in 4 sizes - one size NEVER fits all! Ours doesn`t have a belt to begin with. Primary Tactical has a variety of Handgun Tools for your gunsmithing needs. The detail of the band is if an orthosis was designed and made with a bracelet you can not remove it. Because the Texas definition of a shotgun is broader, the shockwave was likely considered a short-barrelled firearm under state law. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. So there you have it. $7700.17. Sure sounds like Red Loctite is now considered a permanent attachment for muzzle brakes to reach 16 barrel length to this reader! The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the She previously litigated cases involving the rights and equal treatment of people with disabilities. ), In McAdams, plaintiffs alleged that the defendant failed to disclose that its 50-year/lifetime, permanent color, and maintenance-free roof tiles are inherently defective because their material composition causes the exterior surface of the product (including the glaze and slurry-coated color exterior) to deteriorate, degrade and to lose coating and color well before the warranted 50-year useful life of the tiles. Like a big cane cap. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES! The letter refers (usually) to the time when the braces have a strap that it cannot remove. Direct link to letter: shockwavetechnologies.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ATF-approval-letter-31OCT17.pdf Dude Florida ranges are strange when it comes to braces. ATF opinion is not the law. Im not a huge Mossberg fan but I am interested in the comcept of this gun. Ironically, Mossberg is sending shockwaves through Texas. I have one of the older versions of the blade that came with three belt slots but didn`t have straps installed. WebState Legal Guns State Legal Guns. As long as I am under the 13.5 measurement of the face, if the trigger at the end of the blade, I am legally able to shoulder it? ), was enacted in 1970 to provide manifest protections for millions of consumers Thank God for smartphone audio taping. I've read that the shockwave with a brace is legal in our red state but most of what I saw was a few years Because the Texas definition of a shotgun is broader, the shockwave was likely considered a short-barrelled firearm under state law. You cannot manipulate the safety without removing our hand from the pistol grip. I identified myself and specifically asked him if the letter that was making the rounds was limited to a company`s products or if it applied to all firearm stabilizing braces. In case you missed it, the 590 Shockwave is now available for sale in Ohio! These pump-action firearms are fun to shoot and easy to clean, and the 14" models do not require Federal Class III paperwork for transfers. Just because you find it for sale doesn`t mean it`s legal. In McAdams v. Monier (2007) ___ Cal.App.4th ___ [2007 WL 1545072], the Court of Appeal, in agreement with prior California case law, held that an inference of common reliance as opposed to requiring a showing of actual reliance may be applied to a CLRA class that alleges a material misrepresentation consisting of a failure to disclose a particular fact. (Id. I have a blade stabilizer that I attached to a Ruger charger using the copper adapter. Ive personally been given verbal instructions by the ATF before on their interpretation of the law which were later proven to be 100% inaccurate. 3 0 0. If so, a formal letter link can be provided for printing. I CAN NOT ONE TIME IN MY LIFE WHERE A REGISTERED MACHINE GUN OR SILENCER WAS USED IN A CRIME UNLESS IT WAS STOLEN AND I DONT EVEN RECALL THAT HAPPENING! The whole thing is so fucking silly. this is classified by the ATF as a weapon, not a pistol, rifle or shotgun. WebFEATOL Wrist Brace for Carpal Tunnel, Adjustable Wrist Support Brace with Splints Right Hand, Small/Medium, Arm Compression Hand Support for Injuries, Wrist Pain, Sprain, Also note: If you`re looking for a 26-inch 12-gauge pistol and you`re not in Texas, check your state`s laws before buying one. (1984) 35 Cal.3d 582 [200 Cal.Rptr. Completed AK rifles and pistols at great prices. As I see it, the stamps allows you to get That last 10% of function that a real stock brings and alliance of vertical grips. Needless to say, the citizens of this pro-gun state were not happy with this outcome. This kit includes an Ergo Flat Top Grip and mounting hardware. I will note that it sounds like Shockwave has not received this news from the ATF in writing. I put a Suarez SB brace kit on my Tac-13. I do not see anywhere in the ATF newspapers about the shockwave shotgun. They did not submit letters to all manufacturers. I haven't played with it on the range yet, but I want to eventually play with loads and chokes at some point. This kit greatly enhances the usability of the firearm by So what the ATF decides about a brace is anybody's guess. JavaScript is disabled. Heres hoping this brace BS is evidence that can be used later to dismantle the the NFA. It would be nice to keep a copy in my case in case I come across a LEO who knows nothing about the ATF clarification. I have a Baikal Coach Gun (w/ears) and choke tubes. WebComprehensive Orthodontics - Adult. I want to make sure I follow the ATF rules, which are quite verbose and difficult to understand. I will only shoulder the SB tactical brace because they have a letter I can keep in my range bag. As far as I know, I don`t think you can put any of the above braces on shockwaves without tape, so no, I don`t think there`s a legal way to put braces on a shockwave. Therefore, the Mossberg shockwave is exempt from Section 46.05 under the new Texas rules and is now legal in Texas. How could it be legal under federal law but illegal under Texas law? I've had my Mossberg Shockwave for a little while. CDM Sling & Flashlight Mount. It was nice to keep it from falling into my safe. The shockwave doesnt come with an arm strap. 4 Reply As long as you dont red Loctite the set screw in place, ATF considers it to be temporarily placed and perfectly okay to shoulder. (He didnt beat around the bush on this topic.). Bodyprox Ankle Support Brace, Breathable Neoprene Sleeve, Adjustable Wrap! The letter actually states that adding a brace to a shockwave implies it It clarified the section of the Penal Code dealing with NFA elements by adding language that excludes articles that are not subject to registration with the ATF. These Six Barely Legal Gun Products Are Still Widely Available The fact that the ATF has to rule on appropriate dimple placement, and allowable colors of loctite should illustrate just how ridiculous the entire NFA is. Hey, TTAG. I wonder if Blue Loctite on your Romanian AK pistol grip means its not permanently attached for 922r counting purposes? Meet me, Jesus, meet me in the middle of the air, if my wings should fail me, Lord, please meet me with another pair, so I can die easy. Im sure not all cops keep up to date on these letters. Thanks Scott This is an interpretation of the ATF, the big catch of what I saw is that the pistol struts were approved with AR and AK guns, not shockwaves and the like, which is stupid because a gun holder is supposed to stabilize everything with one hand. They never presented the ARF with a bracelet with example. Shop now and get Free Value Shipping on most orders over $49 to the WebBuild: Ergo Pistol Stock Adapter. I recently purchased a 10.5 inch AR15 pistol with shockwave gun holder and would like to know if I can wear the shockwave blade gun holder in 2019. As I understand it, the only pistol struts ever approved by the ATF were the MPX PSB and the discontinued SB-15. The ATF actually mention the Shockwave in the proposed rule changes regarding braces. I want to make sure I follow the ATF rules, which are quite verbose and difficult to understand. Flash hiders, compensators and muzzle brakes. Ours are not made with a bracelet, so this part is irrelevant. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The ATF letter states in the last paragraph that this letter applies ONLY to shockwave 2.0. WebMossberg Mossberg makes badass shotguns and other firearms. Such a change would make your Shockwave an NFA object. That`s it, I love my Shockwave Brace and it`s the best gun accessory. 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